[Mcls-print-storage] New MCLS print project participants

[Barbara J Cockrell]

Doug et al, I don't see how you will have "high use" titles in your pool as anything that has circ'd more than 3 times at ANY library won't make the deselection candidate list if I'm understanding this correctly. I'm more concerned about the situation where several libraries may have to retain low (or no use titles) that never made the potential candidate list because they happen to be high circulating titles in another library (or two) that would probably be only too happy to keep that title on behalf of the group. Those titles never appear on the radar in our current set up because they have circulated more than 3 times in certain libraries. See for example Randy's proposed criteria title 4 example. CMU , EMU and GVSU should be able to have that title on their potential discard list ideally in my opinion. I have no idea how many such titles there are likely to be. As I said earlier - I am more than willing to be pragmatic about this to keep the project moving forward at this stage - we have plenty to work on. I just want to be careful about what we lock ourselves into for the future. Barbara ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Way" < wayd @ gvsu . edu >
> To: "Barbara J Cockrell" < barbara . cockrell @ wmich . edu >, mcls
> -print-storage@ mcls .org
> Cc: "Randy Dykhuis " < DykhuisR @ mcls .org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:21:20 PM
> Subject: RE: [Mcls-print-storage] New MCLS print project participants
> That’s a good point, but I think most libraries, aside from Wayne
> State, worked in some flexibility in their withdrawal candidate
> numbers. So for GVSU , I think we were looking at around 60,000
> titles, but we don’t think we’ll be withdrawing that many titles. So
> if I end up with even 1,000 or 2,000 titles in my pool that happen to
> be “high use” titles at GVSU , or even titles that are of local
> interest for one reason or another (authorship, emerging area of
> curricular growth, etc.) I’ll be able to retain those titles without
> really impacting my bottom line.
> Doug
> From: mcls -print-storage-bounces at mail. mlcnet .org [ mailto : mcls
> -print-storage-bounces at mail. mlcnet .org] On Behalf Of Barbara J
> Cockrell
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:00 PM
> To: mcls -print-storage@ mcls .org
> Cc: Randy Dykhuis
> Subject: Re: [Mcls-print-storage] New MCLS print project participants
> My only concern about new groups starting up under our existing
> criteria is that on reflection these may not be the best criteria that
> could have been used. I'm thinking about the reliance on group circ
> .data and not being able to take advantage of variation in individual
> circulation among the libraries. I just don't want to get locked into
> using a a set of criteria that its impossible to revise moving
> forward.
> Barbara
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> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Doug Way" < wayd @ gvsu . edu >
> > To: "Randy Dykhuis " < DykhuisR @ mcls .org>, mcls -print-storage@
> > mcls .org
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:40:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mcls-print-storage] New MCLS print project
> > participants
> > Hello, everyone,
> > I hadn ’t seen any follow-up to this or to our previous thread so I
> > wanted to share GVSU ’s thoughts.
> > Related to new libraries joining the group, we feel what Randy is
> > proposing makes sense and we support the idea of two (or possibly
> > more) parallel groups that would join down the road. We can all work
> > together on practices and agreements so that when we all merge
> > together there are no bumps.
> > Regarding the circulation threshold issue, we want to reiterate our
> > support for the three-circs-per-library model that gets us to that
> > 700,000+ number. I know some libraries haven’t chimed in on the list
> > with support, questions, or concerns about that, but we’d like to
> > continue to move forward. We are on a bit of a time-crunch when it
> > comes to weeding, as are (I believe) Wayne State and Saginaw Valley,
> > so we’d like to make sure we can get our weeding in this
> > spring/summer. So I guess if there are libraries with major concerns
> > we’d like to hear them on this list or see if we can arrange a call
> > to
> > talk about them so we can continue to move forward on our regularly
> > scheduled calls with all of the other details that need to be
> > addressed.
> > Anyway, that’s GVSU ’s two cents…
> > Doug and Julie
> > From: mcls -print-storage-bounces at mail. mlcnet .org [ mailto : mcls
> > -print-storage-bounces at mail. mlcnet .org] On Behalf Of Randy Dykhuis
> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:17 AM
> > To: mcls -print-storage@ mcls .org
> > Subject: [Mcls-print-storage] New MCLS print project participants
> > We began the discussion about adding new participants during our
> > conference call last week. Currently, we have two libraries that are
> > ready to commit to the project: Oakland Univ and Hope College. The
> > quickest and easiest way for these & other interested libraries to
> > benefit from the work done so far is to treat each additional
> > library
> > as an independent project. These subsequent projects would benefit
> > from the information collected during the initial analysis but the
> > library would be under no obligation to follow the guidelines we're
> > developing. When the data is refreshed, most likely in mid or late
> > 2013, all participants subsequent to the original seven would be
> > included in the new round of analysis.
> > This approach strikes me as more ad hoc than I'd like to be. It
> > appears to me that this project is saying that Michigan academic
> > libraries overall gain from a collective approach to curation of
> > their
> > print monograph collections. If that's the case, then an ad hoc
> > approach to the new participants, while not harmful, doesn't move us
> > as a group closer to our goal.
> > The suggestion that was made on the call that we investigate a
> > second
> > group seems to move us further down the field. If we go down that
> > path, that group would not be informed by the analysis of the first
> > group, but it would have the advantage of adhering to the criteria
> > we
> > have already set and there would be coherent collective action by
> > that
> > set of libraries. The libraries in that group would all share the
> > costs & benefits of the joint activity, just as the original 7 have.
> > So after thinking about all that, I wondered about this kind of
> > scenario:
> > February 15 - April 30: Open window for participants in a second
> > group
> > May - Sept: Analysis & pick lists for group 2
> > August/Sept 2013: Refresh data & combine groups (This could be
> > deferred until later depending on how quickly deselection is taking
> > place in participating libraries.)
> > Theoretically, this model could be expanded to a third group as
> > well.
> > As a whole, the state doesn't gain maximum benefit until all
> > participating libraries are in one group but it seems like there
> > would
> > be more greater gains with multiple small groups than one group and
> > several stand-alone projects until the refresh 18 or 20 months from
> > now.
> > Rick and I have had some initial back & forth on this and he raised
> > legitimate questions about timeliness of adding new participants &
> > cost of the collective analysis if we go the route of forming
> > another
> > group. I also have questions about the effectiveness of the
> > collective
> > analysis if all participants in the second group are from smaller
> > libraries. But maybe that doesn't matter?
> > There may be other ways to approach this.
> > =========================
> > Randy Dykhuis
> > Executive Director
> > Midwest Collaborative for Library Services ( MCLS )
> > Lansing, MI & Indianapolis, IN
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