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<DIV>I can see I wasn’t clear in my description of my segmenting problem.</DIV>
<DIV>I have both staff and public PC’s on the same <U>wired</U> connection to
the Internet. Everything comes in on the same cable modem. To keep the
public from printing on the staff-only printer, I have to connect it by USB to
one staff PC and let the other staff PC’s print to it as part of their homegroup
privileges.</DIV>
<DIV>Yes, I also want to keep wireless traffic away from the staff
network. For that, I have an unsecured guest wireless network for the
public, and I think that is working to keep them separate. The staff
wireless is password protected.</DIV>
<DIV>Helen</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; COLOR: #000000">Helen
Dewey</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; COLOR: #000000">Accidental
Techie<BR>Benzonia Public Library Board<BR>rhdewey@charter.net</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mehle@willardlibrary.org
href="mailto:mehle@willardlibrary.org">Mark Ehle</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 13, 2015 1:06 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=christian@carolibrary.org
href="mailto:christian@carolibrary.org">Christian Dunham</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=michlib-l@mcls.org
href="mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org">Michlib-l</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Michlib-l] segmenting public and staff
networks</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>In order to keep wireless traffic away from the staff network, you
will still need a firewall/router. A network-savy person on a wireless device
could possibly still access all the staff side stuff through a switch.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Christian Dunham <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:christian@carolibrary.org"
target=_blank>christian@carolibrary.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; COLOR: black'>Depends on your
specific needs, but for run-of-the-mill, the easiest way to accomplish this
with standard equipment is a subnet: <A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subnetwork"
target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subnetwork</A><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; COLOR: black'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; COLOR: black'>Very
simplistically, all computers have an IP address. All computers that talk to
each other are on the same subnet (if a computer’s IP address is 192.168.0.5,
the subnet is “0”). If you setup your Wi-Fi router/access point to distribute
addresses to Wi-Fi computers on a separate subnet (say 192.168.1.5, the subnet
is “1”), then any computers with the different 0/1 subnets cannot talk to each
other. <BR><BR><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; COLOR: black'>This
configuration is greatly different depending on your hardware, but usually you
can do it without spending a lot of money on expensive equipment. Here’s a
more complicated explanation with graphics: <A
href="http://superuser.com/questions/569710/how-to-create-a-separate-subnet-for-wireless-access"
target=_blank>http://superuser.com/questions/569710/how-to-create-a-separate-subnet-for-wireless-access</A><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; COLOR: black'>Christian
Dunham<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; COLOR: black'>Caro Area
District Library<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; COLOR: black'><A
href="tel:989-673-4329%20x%20106" target=_blank
value="+19896734329">989-673-4329 x 106</A><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Bookman Old Style","serif"; COLOR: black'><A
href="mailto:christian@carolibrary.org"
target=_blank>christian@carolibrary.org</A><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'> <A
href="mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org"
target=_blank>michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org"
target=_blank>michlib-l-bounces@mcls.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mimi
Herrington<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 9, 2015 8:53 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Helen
Dewey; Bruce MacDonald</SPAN></P>
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<DIV class=h5><BR><B>Cc:</B> Michlib-l<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Michlib-l]
segmenting public and staff networks<U></U><U></U></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>We
were provided a free internet drop by Comcast because we’re a library.
We used that drop for wi-fi to the public for laptops and devices and it was
separate from our internet to the public and staff computers. The public
and staff internet connection is a static IP and the public wi-fi is
not.</SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Mimi
Herrington, Director<BR>Bad Axe Area District Library<BR>200 S. Hanselman
Street<BR>Bad Axe, MI 48413<BR><A href="tel:989.269.8538" target=_blank
value="+19892698538">989.269.8538</A> (Phone)<BR><A href="tel:989.269.2411"
target=_blank value="+19892692411">989.269.2411</A> (Fax)<BR><A
href="http://www.badaxelibrary.org"
target=_blank>www.badaxelibrary.org</A><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'> <A
title=rhdewey@charter.net href="mailto:rhdewey@charter.net"
target=_blank>Helen Dewey</A> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>
Thursday, April 09, 2015 6:13 PM<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'> <A
title=bmacdona@gmail.com href="mailto:bmacdona@gmail.com" target=_blank>Bruce
MacDonald</A> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'> <A
title=michlib-l@mcls.org href="mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org"
target=_blank>Michlib-l</A> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'> Re:
[Michlib-l] segmenting public and staff
networks<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black">Bruce,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I have been trying to find a way
to separate the staff network from the public network, but I have not found a
solution which lets us use only one broadband cable feed. When I tried a
switch and 2 routers (diagram I found online), the 2 networks were fighting
each other for the Internet network feed.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I would greatly appreciate being
pointed to information which would help me segment the
networks.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Helen
Dewey<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Accidental
Techie<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">and<BR>Benzonia Public Library
Board Treasurer<BR><A href="mailto:rhdewey@charter.net"
target=_blank>rhdewey@charter.net</A><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'> <A
title=bmacdona@gmail.com href="mailto:bmacdona@gmail.com" target=_blank>Bruce
MacDonald</A> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>
Thursday, April 09, 2015 4:00 PM<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'> <A
title=shermandirector@winntel.net href="mailto:shermandirector@winntel.net"
target=_blank>Ms. TJ Smith</A> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'> <A
title=michlib-l@mcls.org href="mailto:michlib-l@mcls.org"
target=_blank>Michlib-l</A> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'> Re:
[Michlib-l] torrenting wireless
policies/suggestions?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Using your
connection to pirate movies not only slows your network, but could land a
library in hot water with the RIAA, who can report the activity to your
internet service provider.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Even though our wifi
requires no password, we do have a "captive portal" system in place to display
our wireless policy. There are many other options to do this.<BR><A
href="http://www.securedgenetworks.com/security-blog/Why-is-captive-portal-important-for-wireless-guest-access"
target=_blank>http://www.securedgenetworks.com/security-blog/Why-is-captive-portal-important-for-wireless-guest-access</A><BR><BR>In
the mean-time, you can dig into the settings in your wireless router. I
believe you will be able to disable torrenting. Even though there are some
legit uses for torrenting files, the vast majority is not traffic you want on
your network, and you can possibly deal with exceptions as they come up (if
they come up at all).<BR><A
href="http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/20483/~/set-up-a-netgear-router-to-block-access-to-certain-websites"
target=_blank>http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/20483/~/set-up-a-netgear-router-to-block-access-to-certain-websites</A><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>It sounds as though
your staff machines are maybe using the same network connection and hardware
as your public machines, and wifi. This could also create security headaches,
and you have already seen with bandwidth needs for your ILS strained. Your
network should be segmented, with each segment inaccessible to the other. This
can be done virtually or physically. There are expensive and inexpensive ways
to do it.<BR><A
href="https://www.techsoupforlibraries.org/cookbook-3/networking-and-security/bandwidth-management"
target=_blank>https://www.techsoupforlibraries.org/cookbook-3/networking-and-security/bandwidth-management</A><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Regards,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Bruce<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Bruce A.
MacDonald<BR>Assistant Director / Head of Circulation<BR>Peter White Public
Library<BR>Marquette,
Michigan<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>On Thu, Apr 9, 2015
at 10:40 AM, Ms. TJ Smith <<A href="mailto:shermandirector@winntel.net"
target=_blank>shermandirector@winntel.net</A>>
wrote:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>We have been
seeing a large increase in internet traffic and our wireless setup is simply
not holding up. A particular problem is patrons using our wireless for
torrents. Do any of you have policies in place regarding a limit on
high-bandwidth activities? It is frustrating for our other patrons, many of
whom are using the connection for schooling and business purposes, not to
mention the staff trying to use VERSO.<BR><BR>We currently have 6MB service
through our provider (the highest package offered in our area) connected to
an old router and switch. We have 5 public computers, one catalog computer,
and one staff station all direct-wired through the switch and at any given
time 2-10 wireless devices attached. Our current router is a Netgear N300
WNR2000v2. We're looking to upgrade and add a wireless access point to allow
us better control, but that does not make our current situation any easier
to handle.<BR><BR>I've been setting the lowest priority QoS for the torrent
users when possible to try to make the connection usable by other patrons.
Does anyone have any tips on how we can better get by in the
meantime?<BR><BR><BR>Ms. TJ Smith<BR><BR>Library Director<BR><BR>Sherman
Township Library<BR><BR><A href="mailto:shermandirector@winntel.net"
target=_blank>shermandirector@winntel.net</A><BR><BR><A
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